Consultant Dialog – Nicole Hallberg – Part 2 - Revision history

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	::''JPS:'' I think ''a bunch of'' people would like to see this answer from Stan! When this thing began in 2011, at the launch meeting, when it was framed as "Information Advocacy", it was hard for us to pin down what he was going for. I think we lost a few folks early on, because they couldn't get the concept. Neither could I. After Wikidelphia started, for a long time I was thinking of it as like a Wikipedia for Philadelphia. I still wasn't getting it. So if all that ever comes out of this consultation is that we get a better, more focused idea of what our purposes and objectives are, that's a big "plus", and I would consider your time and effort to be worthy of great gratitude.		::''JPS:'' I think ''a bunch of'' people would like to see this answer from Stan! When this thing began in 2011, at the launch meeting, when it was framed as "Information Advocacy", it was hard for us to pin down what he was going for. I think we lost a few folks early on, because they couldn't get the concept. Neither could I. After Wikidelphia started, for a long time I was thinking of it as like a Wikipedia for Philadelphia. I still wasn't getting it. So if all that ever comes out of this consultation is that we get a better, more focused idea of what our purposes and objectives are, that's a big "plus", and I would consider your time and effort to be worthy of great gratitude.

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Values behind potential key progress indicators. Please indicate Yes or No:

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	:::If Wikidelphia helps people build communities, then YES. Otherwise, NO.		:::If Wikidelphia helps people build communities, then YES. Otherwise, NO.
	:::''JPS:'' The words I've heard Stan use are "instigator" and "progenitor".		:::''JPS:'' The words I've heard Stan use are "instigator" and "progenitor".
			::::''SRP:'' Instigator is MY term. "Progenitor" can only be found in a comment or title of something that Paul wrote. I don't object to the term, but I'd never define myself by it. I'm the Instigator of Community Magic and the "Publisher" of Wikidelphia.
	** I'd like Wikidelphia to grow into a bigger organization with more people working on it than just me and my assistant. Y/N		** I'd like Wikidelphia to grow into a bigger organization with more people working on it than just me and my assistant. Y/N
	:::YES, but I'd prefer to say "working with it" than "working on it."		:::YES, but I'd prefer to say "working with it" than "working on it."

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	** I'd like to hear about more exciting things happening as a direct result of people's use of Wikidelphia. If it's happening, I would like to hear about it. Y/N		** I'd like to hear about more exciting things happening as a direct result of people's use of Wikidelphia. If it's happening, I would like to hear about it. Y/N
	:::YES		:::YES
	:::'''JPS:'' YES. I can't expect to ever see everything, but it would be encouraging if we could see some indicators.		:::''JPS:'' YES. I can't expect to ever see everything, but it would be encouraging if we could see some indicators.
	** I'd like to be more recognized as the mind behind Wikidelphia. Y/N		** I'd like to be more recognized as the mind behind Wikidelphia. Y/N
	:::If Wikidelphia helps people build communities, then YES. Otherwise, NO.		:::If Wikidelphia helps people build communities, then YES. Otherwise, NO.

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	** I'd like to see more web traffic. Y/N		** I'd like to see more web traffic. Y/N
	:::Use, YES, But traffic just for the sake of having traffic, NO		:::Use, YES, But traffic just for the sake of having traffic, NO
	:::''JPS:'' Amen. I want to see more people orgs use and benefit from this thing. I have no interest in empty numbers.		:::''JPS:'' Amen. I want to see more people and orgs use and benefit from this thing. I have no interest in empty numbers.
	** I'd like to hear about more exciting things happening as a direct result of people's use of Wikidelphia. If it's happening, I would like to hear about it. Y/N		** I'd like to hear about more exciting things happening as a direct result of people's use of Wikidelphia. If it's happening, I would like to hear about it. Y/N
	:::YES		:::YES
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	** I'd like Wikidelphia to make a specific contribution to society. Y/N		** I'd like Wikidelphia to make a specific contribution to society. Y/N
	:::YES. It would meet my best expectation if it created greater unity, trust and collaboration among people.		:::YES. It would meet my best expectation if it created greater unity, trust and collaboration among people.

	==== Which of these most closely describes your feelings about Wikidelphia in regards to revenue? ====		==== Which of these most closely describes your feelings about Wikidelphia in regards to revenue? ====
	# ** F. Wikidelphia should be developed with the end goal of supporting itself someday.		# ** F. Wikidelphia should be developed with the end goal of supporting itself someday.

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	::A commercial cesspool happens when we ruin our environment by trying to build "bigger" and "MORE" when we ought to be building "BETTER." Please watch this video: [https://youtu.be/cpkRvc-sOKk <u>The Story of Solutions</u>.] It's 9 minutes long and quite useful in understanding what Wikidelphia can help with.		::A commercial cesspool happens when we ruin our environment by trying to build "bigger" and "MORE" when we ought to be building "BETTER." Please watch this video: [https://youtu.be/cpkRvc-sOKk <u>The Story of Solutions</u>.] It's 9 minutes long and quite useful in understanding what Wikidelphia can help with.
	::''JPS:'' We're not in the business of business. But if it would help Wikidelphia become self-sustaining, I'm open to including that. I would define "commercial cesspool'' as a site so loaded with commercial marketing that we lose a lot of visitors because they think that Wikidelphia is just a bunch of ads.		::''JPS:'' We're not in the business of business. But if it would help Wikidelphia become self-sustaining, I'm open to including that. I would define "commercial cesspool" as a site so loaded with commercial marketing that we lose a lot of visitors because they think that Wikidelphia is just a bunch of ads.

	==== Values behind potential key progress indicators. Please indicate Yes or No: ====		==== Values behind potential key progress indicators. Please indicate Yes or No: ====

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	::If Wikidelphia blooms it will be because people begin to use it for its ability to help them establish "supply chains" of human, intellectual, cultural and material resources that will be the life blood of the new economy. If this happens, I will no longer be needed and could retire. If it doesn't happen I will have had my fun and can let it go.		::If Wikidelphia blooms it will be because people begin to use it for its ability to help them establish "supply chains" of human, intellectual, cultural and material resources that will be the life blood of the new economy. If this happens, I will no longer be needed and could retire. If it doesn't happen I will have had my fun and can let it go.
			::''JPS:'' I'm game to keep it going somehow. Stan hasn't stopped at age 65, and neither would I. Gotta have ''something'' to do!

	==== Can you please define what a 'commercial cesspool' is? And what specifically makes it antithetical to Wikidelphia? ====		==== Can you please define what a 'commercial cesspool' is? And what specifically makes it antithetical to Wikidelphia? ====

	::A commercial cesspool happens when we ruin our environment by trying to build "bigger" and "MORE" when we ought to be building "BETTER." Please watch this video: [https://youtu.be/cpkRvc-sOKk <u>The Story of Solutions</u>.] It's 9 minutes long and quite useful in understanding what Wikidelphia can help with.		::A commercial cesspool happens when we ruin our environment by trying to build "bigger" and "MORE" when we ought to be building "BETTER." Please watch this video: [https://youtu.be/cpkRvc-sOKk <u>The Story of Solutions</u>.] It's 9 minutes long and quite useful in understanding what Wikidelphia can help with.
	::''JPS:'' I'm ~~game~~ to ~~keep it going somehow~~. ~~Stan hasn't stopped at age 65, and neither~~ would ~~I. Gotta have~~ ''~~something'' to do!~~		::''JPS:'' We're not in the business of business. But if it would help Wikidelphia become self-sustaining, I'm open to including that. I would define "commercial cesspool'' as a site so loaded with commercial marketing that we lose a lot of visitors because they think that Wikidelphia is just a bunch of ads.

	==== Values behind potential key progress indicators. Please indicate Yes or No: ====		==== Values behind potential key progress indicators. Please indicate Yes or No: ====

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	::''JPS:'' I think ''a bunch of'' people would like to see this answer from Stan! When this thing began in 2011,		::''JPS:'' I think ''a bunch of'' people would like to see this answer from Stan! When this thing began in 2011, at the launch meeting, when it was framed as "Information Advocacy", it was hard for us to pin down what he was going for. I think we lost a few folks early on, because they couldn't get the concept. Neither could I. After Wikidelphia started, for a long time I was thinking of it as like a Wikipedia for Philadelphia. I still wasn't getting it. So if all that ever comes out of this consultation is that we get a better, more focused idea of what our purposes and objectives are, that's a big "plus", and I would consider your time and effort to be worthy of great gratitude.

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	::A commercial cesspool happens when we ruin our environment by trying to build "bigger" and "MORE" when we ought to be building "BETTER." Please watch this video: [https://youtu.be/cpkRvc-sOKk <u>The Story of Solutions</u>.] It's 9 minutes long and quite useful in understanding what Wikidelphia can help with.		::A commercial cesspool happens when we ruin our environment by trying to build "bigger" and "MORE" when we ought to be building "BETTER." Please watch this video: [https://youtu.be/cpkRvc-sOKk <u>The Story of Solutions</u>.] It's 9 minutes long and quite useful in understanding what Wikidelphia can help with.
			::''JPS:'' I'm game to keep it going somehow. Stan hasn't stopped at age 65, and neither would I. Gotta have ''something'' to do!

	==== Values behind potential key progress indicators. Please indicate Yes or No: ====		==== Values behind potential key progress indicators. Please indicate Yes or No: ====
	** I'd like to see more web traffic. Y/N		** I'd like to see more web traffic. Y/N
	:::Use, YES, But traffic just for the sake of having traffic, NO		:::Use, YES, But traffic just for the sake of having traffic, NO
			:::''JPS:'' Amen. I want to see more people orgs use and benefit from this thing. I have no interest in empty numbers.
	** I'd like to hear about more exciting things happening as a direct result of people's use of Wikidelphia. If it's happening, I would like to hear about it. Y/N		** I'd like to hear about more exciting things happening as a direct result of people's use of Wikidelphia. If it's happening, I would like to hear about it. Y/N
	:::YES		:::YES
			:::'''JPS:'' YES. I can't expect to ever see everything, but it would be encouraging if we could see some indicators.
	** I'd like to be more recognized as the mind behind Wikidelphia. Y/N		** I'd like to be more recognized as the mind behind Wikidelphia. Y/N
	:::If Wikidelphia helps people build communities, then YES. Otherwise, NO.		:::If Wikidelphia helps people build communities, then YES. Otherwise, NO.
			:::''JPS:'' The words I've heard Stan use are "instigator" and "progenitor".
	** I'd like Wikidelphia to grow into a bigger organization with more people working on it than just me and my assistant. Y/N		** I'd like Wikidelphia to grow into a bigger organization with more people working on it than just me and my assistant. Y/N
	:::YES, but I'd prefer to say "working with it" than "working on it."		:::YES, but I'd prefer to say "working with it" than "working on it."
			:::''JPS:'' I keep hoping we'll get some volunteer editors, even it's only to work on subjects that interest them particularly. My methods are so standardized, I could totally train people.
	** I'd like more people to know about Wikidelphia as a resource. Y/N		** I'd like more people to know about Wikidelphia as a resource. Y/N
	:::YES		:::YES
			:::''JPS:'' Definitely. We could really use some tips on how to "get the word out".
	** The more contributors to Wikidelphia, the better. No number of active daily users is too high, conceptually, if we could build the infrastructure needed to support their activity. Y/N		** The more contributors to Wikidelphia, the better. No number of active daily users is too high, conceptually, if we could build the infrastructure needed to support their activity. Y/N
	:::Again, I'm hoping people will be "users" rather than only making "contributions." The right mix of USERS will themselves constitute the infrastructure needed to support the process.		:::Again, I'm hoping people will be "users" rather than only making "contributions." The right mix of USERS will themselves constitute the infrastructure needed to support the process.
			:::''JPS:'' I find the word "user" rather confusing. I prefer the clearer term, "volunteer editor" or whichever other term more specifically applies. To me, "user" could mean an editor or just a visitor or who-knows-what-else.
	** I'd like it if every single person in Philadelphia and the surrounding area knew about and used Wikidelphia, if we could build the marketing engine needed to inform and attract them. Y/N		** I'd like it if every single person in Philadelphia and the surrounding area knew about and used Wikidelphia, if we could build the marketing engine needed to inform and attract them. Y/N
	:::YES. It would be nice if more and more people know of Wikidelphia. But it's those people who are building community, networks, collaborations and financially intertwined enterprises that will affect society the most.		:::YES. It would be nice if more and more people know of Wikidelphia. But it's those people who are building community, networks, collaborations and financially intertwined enterprises that will affect society the most.

Stan: /* You indicated that each of the following indicated some measure of success in Wikidelphia's purpose. Can you rank them in order of importance? Can you name the single overarching purpose that unites them in common? Can you do it in six words or less...

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/* You indicated that each of the following indicated some measure of success in Wikidelphia's purpose. Can you rank them in order of importance? Can you name the single overarching purpose that unites them in common? Can you do it in six words or less...

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	==== You indicated that each of the following indicated some measure of success in Wikidelphia's purpose. Can you rank them in order of importance? Can you name the single overarching purpose that unites them in common? Can you do it in six words or less? ====		==== You indicated that each of the following indicated some measure of success in Wikidelphia's purpose. Can you rank them in order of importance? Can you name the single overarching purpose that unites them in common? Can you do it in six words or less? ====
			::Faclitating Helpfulness, Collaboration and Respect globally <small>(yup, 6 words - Good challenge, Nicole. Thanks!)</small>
	# ** Helping to move humanity away from people killing, exploiting, and degrading each other and the planet		# ** Helping to move humanity away from people killing, exploiting, and degrading each other and the planet
	# ** '''Other''' Supporting/fostering a global civilization of well-connected yet independent prosperous democratic communities.		# ** '''Other''' Supporting/fostering a global civilization of well-connected yet independent prosperous democratic communities.

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	** I'd like it if every single person in Philadelphia and the surrounding area knew about and used Wikidelphia, if we could build the marketing engine needed to inform and attract them. Y/N		** I'd like it if every single person in Philadelphia and the surrounding area knew about and used Wikidelphia, if we could build the marketing engine needed to inform and attract them. Y/N
	:::YES. It would be nice if more and more people know of Wikidelphia. But it's those people who are building community, networks, collaborations and financially intertwined enterprises that will affect society the most.		:::YES. It would be nice if more and more people know of Wikidelphia. But it's those people who are building community, networks, collaborations and financially intertwined enterprises that will affect society the most.
			:::''JPS:'' There's something for everybody at Wikidelphia, from the serious-minded nonprofit leader to the casual Web surfer. It can absolutely enrich every Philadelphian's life at least a little.
	** I'd like Wikidelphia to help solve a very particular social problem, or a few problems. Y/N		** I'd like Wikidelphia to help solve a very particular social problem, or a few problems. Y/N
	:::YES. Our present society and civilization is like a multitude of separate animals when we need to stop seeing the world as "Me and Mine" and form the sensitivity that believes in "Us and Ours."		:::YES. Our present society and civilization is like a multitude of separate animals when we need to stop seeing the world as "Me and Mine" and form the sensitivity that believes in "Us and Ours."
			:::''JPS:'' No, not really. I see myself as helping ''other'' people do that, by helping people and orgs get acquainted and form useful collaborations. Plus, I want people to get a lot of fun and infotainment out of it.
	** I'd like Wikidelphia to make a specific contribution to society. Y/N		** I'd like Wikidelphia to make a specific contribution to society. Y/N
	:::YES. It would meet my best expectation if it created greater unity, trust and collaboration among people.		:::YES. It would meet my best expectation if it created greater unity, trust and collaboration among people.

	==== Which of these most closely describes your feelings about Wikidelphia in regards to revenue? ====		==== Which of these most closely describes your feelings about Wikidelphia in regards to revenue? ====
	# ** F. Wikidelphia should be developed with the end goal of supporting itself someday.		# ** F. Wikidelphia should be developed with the end goal of supporting itself someday.
	# ** E. I'd like to move towards potential revenue generation some day, but we can take our time getting there.		# ** E. I'd like to move towards potential revenue generation some day, but we can take our time getting there.
			:::''JPS:'' Since I'm the (six hours a week) paid staff editor, I surely would like to see Wikidelphia generate its own little trickle of cash, and if it can help Stan's family, too, that would be great. Caveat: People Before Profits!

	==== You indicated that each of the following indicated some measure of success in Wikidelphia's purpose. Can you rank them in order of importance? Can you name the single overarching purpose that unites them in common? Can you do it in six words or less? ====		==== You indicated that each of the following indicated some measure of success in Wikidelphia's purpose. Can you rank them in order of importance? Can you name the single overarching purpose that unites them in common? Can you do it in six words or less? ====
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	:		::''JPS:'' I think ''a bunch of'' people would like to see this answer from Stan! When this thing began in 2011,